There is this weekend a free Long Covid congress in Germany - online . Best experts ..as far as functional medicine is concerned . Florian Schilling is one of them. His insights are deep and maybe you can contact him . Infection and vaccination ..are discussed. And the effects of spike.
Wow ! Philip, you have taken on (probably) the most difficult differentiation of all. Simply because the "book" on Long Covid hasn´t been written yet - or has it? Do we have a reliable database which allows us to differentiate or make sure that the pathology "Long Covid" hasn´t existed before the pandemic? The only thing I remember well is, that there were always people I heard complaining about fatigue etc. long before Covid. It could have been their sleeping behaviour, their nutrition, their overweight, their lazyness & not moving outdoors or just doing something. And then our friend CoV2 came and since the world needed drama - the stage for these kind of "exhaustion behaviours" was set and given a new name. Now - when we have these foggy days in autumn, bad air, grey, no sun - I feel very tired and exhausted . . . but then again I go to the gym and do some 180kgs squats or I do cardio and speed up my heart rate to 180 (age 58) without any problem - as 3 min later the HR is arround 115. Since I had the Wuhan CoVid19 too - with some 4 days of 41°C fever, 3 days water-diarrhea and a typical assymptomatic pneumonia I felt like having had Long Covid 2 for a while but I remember at this point in time Long Covid wasn´t "defined" or "named" back then. But I did not accept any weakness after something which felt like a tough and real flue and despite haveing lost a good 10% of my bodyweight in 8 days I started doing sports again. Really slow but steady I increased my performance again up until after 3 months later I was back 95 % of what I used to be before. But I remember for many months at around 1000 in the morning I became very tired, so I had to get up from my working desk and walk around in order not to fall asleep. My classic blood lab was all in normal levels. But I remembered that even many years back I had such phases too of being overly tired, exhausted and had my flue and intestine problems 2 - 3 times a year. I was for sure overtrained and stressed out because my life was "super-active".
Are we really able to make a differential diagnosis of Long Covid or any other clinic which is non-Covid-related but with same or similar symptoms ?
Thank you so much for addressing this. As an unvaxxed person who got covid then long covid, I have become acutely aware that what I am experiencing is quite different from those who have been vaxxed and then get covid and long covid. Everything I am experiencing can be traced back comfortably and logically to the vagus nerve and some kind of dysautonomia. But when I read some of the hundreds of thousands of cases on various facebook groups, many of their challenges cannot be explained away by supposing a misfiriing automonomic nervous system. It bothers me because I cannot get a good picture of what is jab injury related and what is pure long covid with no jab complications.
We need your symptoms to differentiate from long Covid + vax. In some persons, the vaccine helped and there is still research work to understand that mechanism.
There is this weekend a free Long Covid congress in Germany - online . Best experts ..as far as functional medicine is concerned . Florian Schilling is one of them. His insights are deep and maybe you can contact him . Infection and vaccination ..are discussed. And the effects of spike.
His brand new book ( 1. one in English ):
Long-Hauler:
Manual for Long-Covid and Post-Vaccine Syndrome
Englisch Ausgabe | von Florian Schilling
https://www.florianschillingscience.org
Absolutely - Florian Schilling is on top of all. I like him as an interpretor of the many studies the laymen lacks to understand fully.
Wow ! Philip, you have taken on (probably) the most difficult differentiation of all. Simply because the "book" on Long Covid hasn´t been written yet - or has it? Do we have a reliable database which allows us to differentiate or make sure that the pathology "Long Covid" hasn´t existed before the pandemic? The only thing I remember well is, that there were always people I heard complaining about fatigue etc. long before Covid. It could have been their sleeping behaviour, their nutrition, their overweight, their lazyness & not moving outdoors or just doing something. And then our friend CoV2 came and since the world needed drama - the stage for these kind of "exhaustion behaviours" was set and given a new name. Now - when we have these foggy days in autumn, bad air, grey, no sun - I feel very tired and exhausted . . . but then again I go to the gym and do some 180kgs squats or I do cardio and speed up my heart rate to 180 (age 58) without any problem - as 3 min later the HR is arround 115. Since I had the Wuhan CoVid19 too - with some 4 days of 41°C fever, 3 days water-diarrhea and a typical assymptomatic pneumonia I felt like having had Long Covid 2 for a while but I remember at this point in time Long Covid wasn´t "defined" or "named" back then. But I did not accept any weakness after something which felt like a tough and real flue and despite haveing lost a good 10% of my bodyweight in 8 days I started doing sports again. Really slow but steady I increased my performance again up until after 3 months later I was back 95 % of what I used to be before. But I remember for many months at around 1000 in the morning I became very tired, so I had to get up from my working desk and walk around in order not to fall asleep. My classic blood lab was all in normal levels. But I remembered that even many years back I had such phases too of being overly tired, exhausted and had my flue and intestine problems 2 - 3 times a year. I was for sure overtrained and stressed out because my life was "super-active".
Are we really able to make a differential diagnosis of Long Covid or any other clinic which is non-Covid-related but with same or similar symptoms ?
Florian Schilling is trying to assemble lab-data and to interpret it. Ist a multicausal disease . Very difficult .
Once I started seeing patients with long Covid type symptoms after vaccination, I knew this would become complicated.
There will be a common thread but not yet clear how this happens.
Dr McM Thank you for keeping us so well informed by your dogged search for the real causes of this long covid.
Your research is invaluable indeed.
Florian Schilling just told in the congress the same what you stated. It gets really complicated .
Thank you so much for addressing this. As an unvaxxed person who got covid then long covid, I have become acutely aware that what I am experiencing is quite different from those who have been vaxxed and then get covid and long covid. Everything I am experiencing can be traced back comfortably and logically to the vagus nerve and some kind of dysautonomia. But when I read some of the hundreds of thousands of cases on various facebook groups, many of their challenges cannot be explained away by supposing a misfiriing automonomic nervous system. It bothers me because I cannot get a good picture of what is jab injury related and what is pure long covid with no jab complications.
We need your symptoms to differentiate from long Covid + vax. In some persons, the vaccine helped and there is still research work to understand that mechanism.