Both the vaccine and the infection are competing biologies ( are they complimentary too ?) that came together to occupy our bodies in early 2021 when the vaccines were rolled. In hindsight, we know from published research today that the m-RNA vaccines can transmit their spikes from the vaccinated to others, including unvaccinated. So, for practical biological purposes, there is no cohort in the population called unvaccinated since 2021. So, strictly, long Covid ( the term relating to pure infection) pertains to only those post infection presentations experienced by some people in 2020, only 2020. Though it began in early 2021, the vaccine spike infiltration in the public must have covered the whole world through 2021, 2022 and 2023. So, the world today carries a mixed heritage of both post infection and post vaccination. It is not correct to call it by a single name like LC or LV. The composite condition today is a pathology, whether disease or not. Must be identified separately by a new name. But this will share features with many other common pathologies. This is a question to be figured out by doctors and researchers.
“ It is not correct to call it by a single name like LC or LV.”
What would you call it? Will all of the journal articles need to be updated? Since the NIH has many articles using the term LC, doesn’t that mean that the condition has already been defined? Isn’t spike still spike regardless of where it came from? Will distinguishing LC from LV or giving it all a new name change the way it’s treated? Should we also remove the word Spanish from that kind of flu while we’re at it? To be frank, the name squabbles seem ridiculous given that people are sick and suffering.
I am not a medical professional, so they must decide the name. One cannot be dismissive about the need, as the officialdom doesn’t yet recognise lingering vaccine injuries and conditions and clubs everything as Long Covid, as if only the infection is the culprit. Which we all know is not correct and is misleading. In terms of the chemical construction, the two spikes are not identical. This could well be the reason why the vaccine spike carries more lasting damage potential. However the symptoms and pathologies are largely common and so will be treatments. The protocols are still not well settled yet because of the expansive nature of the presentations and so sufferings continue. I have always argued that the disease resolution in the affected should be the first priority using clinical experiences to start with. But how can you comprehend and conceive protocols without an agreed name for the condition ? I am surprised by your line of thought, even as I recall that you fought your long Covid conditions very systematically.
Long Covid is the name that has already been decided and is printed in the literature. Changing the name now could make researching this more difficult in the future and could make burying what has already been documented easier, making it harder for future generations to find. For example, it seems as if some government officials are now trying to dismiss long covid altogether by downplaying it with flu reference comparisons that were not allowed to be made in 2020.
As far as I'm concerned, we already have a name for the other problem, it's called- covid vaccine injury-
The 2 spikes are "nearly" identical per Stanford researchers (see link above) and obviously causing a lot of the same problems as viral spike. As much as I am not happy with this mRNA delivery SNAFU, it cannot be ignored that some have been helped by the vax while others have not, in other words, some are experiencing longer lasting damage while others are not which is similar to what is being seen in regard to the virus itself. I have asked in several other places how, at this point, do we know exactly which kind of spike is doing current damage in someone and no one has answered my question yet. So, how do we distinguish between what you have referred to as LC and LV?
One of the major issues in all of this is the use of forceful governmental and fear-based vax persuasion that went way beyond the COVID co-morbidity risk list that was published as early as January of 2020 as well as dealing with the possible lab leak origin of the virus. In my opinion, these 2 issues are of a bigger priority to me than the current name squabbles. If these kinds of things can't be resolved, then how are we even going to get anywhere with calling anything Long Vax?
I can comprehend how protocols work in the medical industrial complex; I worked in it. Fighting for individualization at this point is most likely a losing battle which began with government involvement in healthcare payments and direction of treatment and then with the electronic medical record and the connecting and sharing of data across systems that drove the need for further standardization. Standardized protocols are not going to work for long covid because, as you said, there are too many individualized presentations. I'm surprised that you are surprised by my line of thought, my line of thought is clearly communicated in my own writing which emphasized the need to develop one's own individualized care protocol. I used FLCCC's protocols to pluck things for my own treatment plan from, I did not use all of their suggestions. I have since moved on from that as my symptoms have changed along the way. I also use complementary eastern medicine as a major part of my treatment plan. My practitioner has enough of an understanding of western medicine to incorporate some things that its testing reveals into my care, but eastern medicine is not systematic, it views everything in the body as being whole and connected. It seems you may have not fully understood my own long covid treatment approach or how the US healthcare system works. Unless someone with long covid has the need for acute care due to major organ damage, in my opinion, they will receive more help by seeking out care, for their chronic condition from functional, integrative, or other complementary health care practitioners. In other words, it has been my experience that the acute care medical people (where the standardized protocols are) are not that good at taking care of chronic conditions like long covid.
The term long covid is itself contributing to disbelief in the problem. I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia in my early fifties, and I am looking forward to my condition (which is very real!) having a better name. The term ‘long covid’ like long cold or long flu sounds to vague causing disbelief in the condition. I hope research into these conditions shows some proof of the suffering of these people.
Hyponatremia and amyloid deposits are correlated. The tide has gone out leaving the sea grass exposed. The brain is very sensitive to low salt. A headache is not a sign to take a Panadol. It is a sign to get a salty snack and a drink of water. Hydration equals salt plus water.
You may be interested in my articles Philip.
What causes a cold or respiratory dis-ease?
The establishment’s model of blood and lung physiology FAILS under scrutiny. I’ll explain why.
We breathe air not oxygen.
Air is measured by its moisture or humidity Eg its at 45% humidity today
Oxygen is measured by its dryness Eg medical oxygen has 67parts per million or less of water contamination.
The lung alveoli requires air reaching it to be at 100% humidity, that is dew point.
Can you comprehend the mis-match?
Oxygen is manufactured by stripping air of moisture. Oxygen is a product of air NOT a constituent of air.
There is no wild/natural oxygen in air. Oxygen becomes nitrogen with the addition of carbon particles to become a non-flammable version of oxygen. I have a link to a demonstration of this on my stack, a home oxygen concentrator is used.
The lungs are responsible for re-hydrating the red blood cells as they pass through the alveoli capillaries with salt water. The red blood cells are salt water sponges.
The saline intravenous drip rehydrates red blood cells and aids the lungs.
The insult that causes respiratory dis-stress is dehydration. It’s seasonal because cold air holds the least moisture and indoor room air often dries out with heating.
The dry mucosa must re-establish itself and the production of mucus goes into overdrive. The mucosa requires salt and moisture and it will move both from any bodily reserves. This causes pain as the extraction process goes into motion.
Now you know why the old remedies are successful.
Salt water gargles, nasal irrigations/inhalations and chicken soup / bone broth soups.
Sanatoriums were built along coastlines to take advantage of sea spray because it was known to heal injured lungs.
It is time the COMMONS reclaimed the knowledge of hydration and healing.
Hydration equals salt plus water.
Healing begins with hydration.
Oxygen’s toxicity is directly related to its power to dehydrate. Reactive oxygen species ROS describes damage due to dehydration.
Oxygen on release from a container will extract moisture from its surroundings to become air, its natural state. Oxygen released inside the respiratory tract extracts moisture from the mucosa and the delicate alveoli causing dehydration. This can kill.
Oxygen is a prescribed drug. It is primarily prescribed for the terminally ill. Palliative care is not kind.
We all need to comprehend the difference between air and oxygen. Read the material safety data sheets for oxygen and nitrogen. Both have unconsciousness and not breathing listed under inhalation.
Dr John Campbell irecentlly introduced a recent paper that concluded that Long Covid is indestinguishable to other post viral fatigue syndromes which suggests that it is viruses generally that can produce this effect rather than something specific to Covid infection. There is a hypothesis also, that with any infection, the body uses up stores of vitamin D to fight the infection leaving the body with very low levels of vitamin D which could exacerbate inflammation and symptoms, subject to the person being low in vitamin D in the first place.
Both the vaccine and the infection are competing biologies ( are they complimentary too ?) that came together to occupy our bodies in early 2021 when the vaccines were rolled. In hindsight, we know from published research today that the m-RNA vaccines can transmit their spikes from the vaccinated to others, including unvaccinated. So, for practical biological purposes, there is no cohort in the population called unvaccinated since 2021. So, strictly, long Covid ( the term relating to pure infection) pertains to only those post infection presentations experienced by some people in 2020, only 2020. Though it began in early 2021, the vaccine spike infiltration in the public must have covered the whole world through 2021, 2022 and 2023. So, the world today carries a mixed heritage of both post infection and post vaccination. It is not correct to call it by a single name like LC or LV. The composite condition today is a pathology, whether disease or not. Must be identified separately by a new name. But this will share features with many other common pathologies. This is a question to be figured out by doctors and researchers.
Completely agree.
“ It is not correct to call it by a single name like LC or LV.”
What would you call it? Will all of the journal articles need to be updated? Since the NIH has many articles using the term LC, doesn’t that mean that the condition has already been defined? Isn’t spike still spike regardless of where it came from? Will distinguishing LC from LV or giving it all a new name change the way it’s treated? Should we also remove the word Spanish from that kind of flu while we’re at it? To be frank, the name squabbles seem ridiculous given that people are sick and suffering.
I am not a medical professional, so they must decide the name. One cannot be dismissive about the need, as the officialdom doesn’t yet recognise lingering vaccine injuries and conditions and clubs everything as Long Covid, as if only the infection is the culprit. Which we all know is not correct and is misleading. In terms of the chemical construction, the two spikes are not identical. This could well be the reason why the vaccine spike carries more lasting damage potential. However the symptoms and pathologies are largely common and so will be treatments. The protocols are still not well settled yet because of the expansive nature of the presentations and so sufferings continue. I have always argued that the disease resolution in the affected should be the first priority using clinical experiences to start with. But how can you comprehend and conceive protocols without an agreed name for the condition ? I am surprised by your line of thought, even as I recall that you fought your long Covid conditions very systematically.
Long Covid is the name that has already been decided and is printed in the literature. Changing the name now could make researching this more difficult in the future and could make burying what has already been documented easier, making it harder for future generations to find. For example, it seems as if some government officials are now trying to dismiss long covid altogether by downplaying it with flu reference comparisons that were not allowed to be made in 2020.
As far as I'm concerned, we already have a name for the other problem, it's called- covid vaccine injury-
"sometimes the transport mRNA just gets transported to the wrong placed in the body" source- https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2023/07/31/mrna-vaccine-spike-protein-differs-from-viral-version/.
The 2 spikes are "nearly" identical per Stanford researchers (see link above) and obviously causing a lot of the same problems as viral spike. As much as I am not happy with this mRNA delivery SNAFU, it cannot be ignored that some have been helped by the vax while others have not, in other words, some are experiencing longer lasting damage while others are not which is similar to what is being seen in regard to the virus itself. I have asked in several other places how, at this point, do we know exactly which kind of spike is doing current damage in someone and no one has answered my question yet. So, how do we distinguish between what you have referred to as LC and LV?
One of the major issues in all of this is the use of forceful governmental and fear-based vax persuasion that went way beyond the COVID co-morbidity risk list that was published as early as January of 2020 as well as dealing with the possible lab leak origin of the virus. In my opinion, these 2 issues are of a bigger priority to me than the current name squabbles. If these kinds of things can't be resolved, then how are we even going to get anywhere with calling anything Long Vax?
I can comprehend how protocols work in the medical industrial complex; I worked in it. Fighting for individualization at this point is most likely a losing battle which began with government involvement in healthcare payments and direction of treatment and then with the electronic medical record and the connecting and sharing of data across systems that drove the need for further standardization. Standardized protocols are not going to work for long covid because, as you said, there are too many individualized presentations. I'm surprised that you are surprised by my line of thought, my line of thought is clearly communicated in my own writing which emphasized the need to develop one's own individualized care protocol. I used FLCCC's protocols to pluck things for my own treatment plan from, I did not use all of their suggestions. I have since moved on from that as my symptoms have changed along the way. I also use complementary eastern medicine as a major part of my treatment plan. My practitioner has enough of an understanding of western medicine to incorporate some things that its testing reveals into my care, but eastern medicine is not systematic, it views everything in the body as being whole and connected. It seems you may have not fully understood my own long covid treatment approach or how the US healthcare system works. Unless someone with long covid has the need for acute care due to major organ damage, in my opinion, they will receive more help by seeking out care, for their chronic condition from functional, integrative, or other complementary health care practitioners. In other words, it has been my experience that the acute care medical people (where the standardized protocols are) are not that good at taking care of chronic conditions like long covid.
The term long covid is itself contributing to disbelief in the problem. I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia in my early fifties, and I am looking forward to my condition (which is very real!) having a better name. The term ‘long covid’ like long cold or long flu sounds to vague causing disbelief in the condition. I hope research into these conditions shows some proof of the suffering of these people.
Agreed that the broad application does not help public understanding.
Dr. McCullough recently cited a study indicating that 70% of "long COVID" cases stem from the jab... https://eccentrik.substack.com/p/shocker-70-of-long-covid-cases-are?r=8ypo0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true&triedRedirect=true
Hyponatremia and amyloid deposits are correlated. The tide has gone out leaving the sea grass exposed. The brain is very sensitive to low salt. A headache is not a sign to take a Panadol. It is a sign to get a salty snack and a drink of water. Hydration equals salt plus water.
You may be interested in my articles Philip.
What causes a cold or respiratory dis-ease?
The establishment’s model of blood and lung physiology FAILS under scrutiny. I’ll explain why.
We breathe air not oxygen.
Air is measured by its moisture or humidity Eg its at 45% humidity today
Oxygen is measured by its dryness Eg medical oxygen has 67parts per million or less of water contamination.
The lung alveoli requires air reaching it to be at 100% humidity, that is dew point.
Can you comprehend the mis-match?
Oxygen is manufactured by stripping air of moisture. Oxygen is a product of air NOT a constituent of air.
There is no wild/natural oxygen in air. Oxygen becomes nitrogen with the addition of carbon particles to become a non-flammable version of oxygen. I have a link to a demonstration of this on my stack, a home oxygen concentrator is used.
The lungs are responsible for re-hydrating the red blood cells as they pass through the alveoli capillaries with salt water. The red blood cells are salt water sponges.
The saline intravenous drip rehydrates red blood cells and aids the lungs.
The insult that causes respiratory dis-stress is dehydration. It’s seasonal because cold air holds the least moisture and indoor room air often dries out with heating.
The dry mucosa must re-establish itself and the production of mucus goes into overdrive. The mucosa requires salt and moisture and it will move both from any bodily reserves. This causes pain as the extraction process goes into motion.
Now you know why the old remedies are successful.
Salt water gargles, nasal irrigations/inhalations and chicken soup / bone broth soups.
Sanatoriums were built along coastlines to take advantage of sea spray because it was known to heal injured lungs.
It is time the COMMONS reclaimed the knowledge of hydration and healing.
Hydration equals salt plus water.
Healing begins with hydration.
Oxygen’s toxicity is directly related to its power to dehydrate. Reactive oxygen species ROS describes damage due to dehydration.
Oxygen on release from a container will extract moisture from its surroundings to become air, its natural state. Oxygen released inside the respiratory tract extracts moisture from the mucosa and the delicate alveoli causing dehydration. This can kill.
Oxygen is a prescribed drug. It is primarily prescribed for the terminally ill. Palliative care is not kind.
We all need to comprehend the difference between air and oxygen. Read the material safety data sheets for oxygen and nitrogen. Both have unconsciousness and not breathing listed under inhalation.
Click on my blue icon to read article
My want to look into "pseudo-hypoxia".
https://econtent.hogrefe.com/doi/10.1024/0300-9831/a000159
Hi Philip,
Dr John Campbell irecentlly introduced a recent paper that concluded that Long Covid is indestinguishable to other post viral fatigue syndromes which suggests that it is viruses generally that can produce this effect rather than something specific to Covid infection. There is a hypothesis also, that with any infection, the body uses up stores of vitamin D to fight the infection leaving the body with very low levels of vitamin D which could exacerbate inflammation and symptoms, subject to the person being low in vitamin D in the first place.